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Sunday, January 23, 2011

How Brian Burke Gets Steven Stamkos


Steven Stamkos and Rick Nash
are the Only Players in NHL History
to Win the Goal Scoring Title at 19 Years Old
Other than sending an initial contract proposal, Tampa Bay Lightning does not appear to have made any significant progress in negotiating a contract extension with soon to be Restricted Free Agent Steven Stamkos.

Tampa Tribune published the last media report No Progress on Stamkos Negotiations on 10th of January.  Steve Yzerman and Tampa Bay Lightning may have a "Phil Kessel" situation on their hands.

Steve Yzerman wants to sign Steven Stamkos for Jonathon Toews money instead of Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, or Vincent Lecavalier money.  Leafschatter published an analysis and review of the situation Steven Stamkos - Restricted Free Agent - Snubbed By Yzerman - Again!  It primarily focused on comparing Steven Stamkos to Jonathon Toews, Vincent Lecavalier, Sidney Crosby, and Alex Ovechkin when they were 19 and 20 year olds plus in the season they signed their contract extension.  In addition, the analysis included the best performances from other 19 and 20-year-olds in NHL history.

Today, we further explore how Steven Stamkos compares to the best 20-year-olds ever and expand into "blank ink" comparisons.  By "blank ink", we mean league-leading performances.  You will see it is ridiculous to suggest Steven Stamkos is comparable to Jonathon Toews instead of Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin and might explain why Steve Yzerman had not received a counter-proposal from Stamkos's agent.

You will also see how vulnerable Tampa is to losing Steven Stamkos if they allow him to explore free agency as a restricted free agent and how Toronto's Brian Burke can make a qualifying offer impossible for Tampa to match.  We will also explore the likelihood of Burke making this offer.

Comparing Steven Stamkos to the Best 20-Year-Old in NHL History

Liseted below are the best scoring seasons by 20-year-olds in NHL history with 20-year-old Steven Stamkos's statistics from this season.  It includes Sidney Crosby's season where he missed 29 games due to injury.  You can find the best 19-year-olds in NHL history in Steven Stamkos - Restricted Free Agent - Snubbed By Yzerman - Again!

Best Scoring Seasons by 20 Year Olds
RankPlayer             Season Team GPG  APts
1
 Wayne Gretzky
1981-82
 Edm
80
92
120
212
2
 Mario Lemieux
1985-86
 Pit
79
48
93
141
3
 Denis Savard
1981-82
 Chi
80
32
87
119
4
 Alex Ovechkin
2005-06
 Was
81
52
54
106
5
 Pierre Turgeon
1989-90
 Buf
80
40
66
106
6
 Joe Sakic
1989-90
 Que
80
39
63
102
7
 Dale Hawerchuk  
1983-84
 Wpg
80
37
65
102
8
 Jimmy Carson
1988-89
 Edm
80
49
51
100
9
 Eric Lindros
1993-94
 Pha
65
44
53
97

 Sidney Crosby
2007-08
 Pit
53
24
48
72

 Steven Stamkos
2010-11
 TB
49
37
29
66

Stamkos is trending to score 110 points this season which ranks 4th in this list.  He ranked 6th all-time in the 19-year-old list while Crosby ranked 2nd.  Wayne Gretzky is the leader in both lists without a close 2nd.  Only three players in both lists have black ink (signifying NHL season leader) for goals, assists, or points: Wayne Gretzky, Sidney Crosby, and Steven Stamkos.  Only Rick Nash and Ilya Kovalchuk led the NHL in goal scoring at ages 19 and 20 but lacked the point product for these lists.

Steven Stamkos led the NHL in goals scored at age 19 and is leading this season at age 20 compelling us to compare him to the best goal scorers at age 20 in NHL history.

Most Goals Scored in a Season by 20 Year Olds
Rank
Player            
 Season 
Team 
 GP 
G   
A
Pts
1
 Wayne Gretzky
1981-82
 Edm
 80
92
120
212
2
 Craig Simpson
1987-88
 Edm
 80
56
34
90
3
 Mike Bossy
1977-78
 NYI
 73
53
38
91
4
 Alex Ovechkin
2005-06
 Was
 81
52
54
106
5
 Jimmy Carson
1988-89
 Edm
 80 
49
51
100
6
 Mario Lemieux
1985-86
 Pit
 79
48
93
141
7
 Luc Robitaille
1986-87
 LA
 79
45
39
84
8
 Eric Lindros  
1993-94
 Pha
 65
44
53
97
9
 Richard Martin
1971-72
 Buf
 73
44
30
74
10
 Barry Pederson
1981-82
 Bos
 80
44
48
92

 Steven Stamkos
2010-11
 TB
49
37
29
66


Steven Stamkos is on a pace to score 61 goals ranking him 2nd on the list after Wayne Gretzky.  His league leading 51 goals from last season is 4th best for all 19 year-olds.  Please notice, only Steven Stamkos and Wayne Gretzky are the only 19 and 20-year-old top goal scorers to lead the NHL in goals scored at this young age.

Black Ink and MVP Comparisons

Steven Stamkos's exclusive 19 and 20-year-old "blank ink" company of Wayne Gretzky and Sidney Crosby invites a greater exploration of how young were the top players when they accomplished NHL Goal Scoring Leadership and received Hart Memorial Trophy (MVP) honours.

Below, you see the youngest players to be goal-scoring leaders in NHL history.

Earliest NHL Goal Scoring Leader
RankPlayerAgeSeasonTeamGPGA Pts
1
Steven Stamkos
19
2009-10 TB 82 51
44
95
1
Rick Nash
19
2003-04 Clb 80 41
16
57
3
Wayne Gretzky
20
1981-82 Edm 80 92
120
212
3
Ilya Kovalchuk
20
2003-04 Atl 81 41
46
87
3
Bobby Hull
20
1959-60 Chi 70 39
42
81
3
Charlie Conacher 
20
1930-31 Tor 37 31
12
43
7
Mike Bossy
21
1978-79 NYI 80 69
57
126

Only Rick Nash accompanies Steven Stamkos for the youngest player to be an NHL season goal-scoring leader.  Wayne Gretzky first achieved this status at age 20 with Ilya Kovalchuk, Bobby Hull, and Charlie Conacher.  Alex Ovechkin did not achieve this status until age 22.  The year Washington extended his contract by 13 years for $9.538 mil.

MVP - Hart Memorial Trophy Honours

Steven Stamkos has yet to receive MVP (Hart Memorial Trophy) honours.  However, he will be the 3rd youngest player in NHL history to receive it if he wins it this season.  Only Wayne Gretzky and Sidney Crosby will have won it at a younger age.

Earliest Hart Memorial (MVP) Trophy Winner
Rank
Player
Age
Season
Team
GP
G
A
Pts
1
Wayne Gretzky
18
1979-80
Edm
79
51
86
137
2
Sidney Crosby
19
2006-07
Pit
79
36
84
120
3
Bobby Orr
21
1969-70
Bos
76
33
87
120
3
Eric Lindros
21
1994-95
Pha
46
29
41
70
5
Mario Lemieux
22
1987-88
Pit
77
70
98
168
5
Alex Ovechkin
22
2007-08
Was
82
65
47
112
5
Bryan Trottier
22
1978-79
NYI
76
47
87
134
5
Gordie Howe
22
1950-51
Det
70
43
43
86
5
Nels Stewart
22
1925-26
Mtl*
36
34
8
42


Yzerman's Problem in Contract Negotiations

Why is Steve Yzerman sticking to his guns on the $6.3 to $6.7 mil range for Steven Stamkos when Alex Ovechkin and Sidney Crosby received significant contract extensions during their first "blank ink" and MVP season?  Frankly, Tampa placed Yzerman in an impossible situation when hiring him as a Manager.  First, Tampa should have worked out a contract extension with Stamkos during last season when he had his breakout year.  Yzerman was not yet the team's Manager.

The second reason involves estimating Tampa's budget.  If you assume they already operate at the limits of their financial budget, you will discover it to be approximately $57.1 mil when you add up their NHL and AHL salaries for this season.  Tampa already has $44 mil in contractual commitments for next season with 11 NHL roster and 16 AHL roster spots open.  This amount goes up to $50.2 mil if Tampa qualifies four of their NHL RFAs (Restricted Free Agents) and 12 of their AHL RFAs with the minimum required and budgets $800k for 6 other NHL roster spots and $65k for the 4 other AHL roster spots.

This leaves Yzerman with $6.9 mil in next season's budget for Steven Stamkos.  Yzerman is most likely taking his negotiating stance because his budget does not leave him with much alternative.  Frankly, Yzerman should simply trade Stamkos to Chicago for Jonathon Toews if he truly believes Stamkos is more comparable to Toews over Crosby and Ovechkin.  In all likelihood, Yzerman is posturing when claiming Stamkos is comparable to Toews.

Yzerman seems to be waiting Stamkos out until Stamkos has no alternative to accept his offer.  If by chance Stamkos receives an offer sheet for $9 to $10 mil a year, Yzerman can simply match it and deal with the potential $3 mil budget overage later in the season.  The overage can be up to $4.8 mil if Stamkos receives a "max cap" offer.

Steve Yzerman would have to move a player such as Ryan Malone, who is due to make $5.5 mil salary next season, to fix the budget overage.  His other budget options are Mattius Ohland $5.5 mil, Martin St. Louis $5.5 mil, and Vincent Lecavalier $10 mil.

Yvzerman's Exposure

This fallback plan has one hole it.  It may not withstand the pressure of a front-end loaded contract.  For example, a team can offer Steven Stamkos an 11-year $9.5 mil cap salary contract where it is front-end loaded with a $29.5 mil 1st year salary and $7 mil salary for each of the remaining 10 years.  Tampa Bay may not have the financial means to handle this budget overage.  Matching this qualifying offer might turn this team into the Winnipeg Jets within a year or two.

The Toronto Threat

Will Brian Burke pounce on the opportunity to scoop Steven Stamkos from Tampa Bay Lightning?  It will cost Toronto four 1st round draft picks.

My sense is Brian Burke prefers to find a first line forward in the $5 to $6 mil cap salary range.  However, he is having difficulty acquiring such a player and might have to resort to "Plan B".  "Plan B" has $23 mil in cap space available next season with 12 roster spots to fill.  When you factor in RFA resignings, Brian Burke probably has up to $10 mil in cap space next season to sign Steven Stamkos.  It goes up to $13 mil if the cap increases by $3 mil.

If Brian Burke is truly considering Steven Stamkos as a "Plan B" option, he must weigh it against the possibility of John Tavares being an RFA the following season.  New York Islanders is a woeful team.  It is a classic example of "tanking".  One of the biggest ramifications of tanking is players not wanting to play for the team.  Will the Islanders have this problem with John Tavares?  They certainly have it with Evgeni Nabakov.

The cap hit for signing Tavares in 2012 is most likely within $7 mil and would only cost two 1sts, one 2nd, and one 3rd round draft pick.  In addition, the Islanders are equally vulnerable to a front-end loaded contract.  It appears their budget is about $43 mil and will have at most $8.2 mil available in their budget for Tavares.  A front-end loaded contract with $27 mil in the first year may be too much for New York to match.

During the 2009 Entry Draft, Brian Burke did express his interest in John Tavares and brushed off anyone who thought the idea of getting John Tavares was absurd.  Perhaps, he already had this scheme in mind.  Will the new CBA in 2012 undermine this plan?

Equally interesting is the rumoured Tomas Kaberle deal with Tampa Bay, which fell apart in the final hour on 15th of August.  Reports had a trade worked out with Toronto sending Tomas Kaberle to Tampa Bay for Ryan Malone plus other elements.  Reports had trade discussions to the point where Ryan Malone had waived his no-trade clause for the deal.  But, for some reason, the trade fell apart in the final hour.  Did Brian Burke conclude in the final hour it will be difficult for Tampa to extend Steven Stamkos with Ryan Malone on their payroll?

Conclusion

All of this can end up as simple speculation if Steve Yzerman extends Steven Stamkos before the end of the season.  If the 2011-2012 budget is limiting Tampa's offer, it can be resolved by trading Ryan Malone.  However, Steve Yzerman may end up outsmarting himself if relies on simply matching any qualifying offer accepted by Steven Stamkos.  New York Islanders should pay close attention because they will be up next the following season with John Tavares.





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Sunday, November 28, 2010

Steven Stamkos - Restricted Free Agent - Snubbed by Yzerman - Again!

Steve Yzerman, Manager of Tampa Bay Lightning
Passed On Steven Stamkos When
Executive Director of Gold Medalist
Team Canada 2010 Olympic Hockey Team
If you have been following the news, you know Steve Yzerman, Manager of Tampa Lightning, will meet Toronto based agent Don Meehan, agent for Steven Stamkos, on Monday when Tampa Bay Lightning is in Toronto to play Toronto Maple Leafs, for their first face-to-face meeting over Steven Stamkos' contract.

First reports indicated Tampa thought they could sign Stamkos for $7 mil annually.  Recent reports indicate Tampa now believes Stamkos will sign within the range of $7 mil to $8 mil for seven years because they see him in between Jonathon Toews and Sidney Crosby.  Furthermore, they express confidence  in Stamkos agreeing to a discount for the good of the team and appreciation for agent Don Meehan's reasonableness and ability to persuade Stamkos to take a discount.

Whom is Don Meehan representing in this matter?  Steven Stamkos or Tampa Bay?  You would think Tampa Bay based on the media reports.

This reminds me of how Gordie Howe always got jerked around on his salary.  It got so bad; it became a hockey industry joke.  LeafsTV recently showed a late 60s replay game which included a between period interview of Detroit owner Bruce Norris by Hockey Night in Canada host Ward Cornell.  In this interview, Cornell made a vague reference to Howe's contract being a good deal for Detroit and suggested Norris must be pleased with it.  Norris concurred while both men could barely contain their smug smirks.

What was so funny?  Bobby Baun (141st in NHL scoring) was making over twice as much money as Gordie Howe (3rd in NHL scoring) in the 1968-69 season.  You can find listed below their statistics from that season.

Rk
Player
Pos
Ht
Wt
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
+/-
PIM
PP
SH
GW
S
S%
3
RW
6-0
205
40
76
44
59
103
45
58
9
0
6
283
15.5
141
D
5-9
175
32
76
4
16
20
24
121
0
0
0
117
3.4

The disparity and injustice was outrageous.  Detroit paid Gordie Howe a paltry $45,000 while paying over $100,000 to Bob Baun.

It was a result of Gordie Howe getting brow beaten by Detroit and the hockey industry for over 20 years.  Detroit would throw Gordie Howe an occasional bone.  One time, as a signing bonus, Detroit gave Gordie Howe a team jacket for "free".  This event made its way into hockey lore as Gordie Howe "wanting" a team jacket instead of more money.

But, I digress from the question on everyone's mind..."How much should Steven Stamkos Get for his new contract?

In my opinion, Steven Stamkos should expect at least $10.6 mil when renewing his contract.  Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin presently receive $9 mil (in real money) for the season.  They agreed to this amount when the NHL cap was $50.3 mil.  In short, they agreed to receive 17.89% of the team's cap in salary.  $10.6 mil is now 17.89% of a team's $59.4 mil cap.  Coincidently, Vincent Lecavalier receives $10 mil  from a contract extension negotiated in 2008 when the NHL cap was $56.7 mil.  $10.476 mil is its equivalent in today's cap.  As for Jonathon Toews, it is difficult to factor in his $6.3 mil cap salary when he simply doesn't compare to Steven Stamkos.

Is Steven Stamkos truly an elite player?

To put things in perspective, we gathered the best 19-year-old scoring statistics in NHL history.  We also included Alex Ovechkin and Mike Bossy at age 20 because they could not play at age 19 in the NHL because of the lockout in 2004 and amateur draft rules in the 1970s.  To add further perspective, we included Vincent Lecavalier's and Jonathon Toews' scoring statistics when they were 19 years old.  The players rank (RK) amongst the NHL scoring leaders for that season is included in the first column of the statistics.

Top 19-Year-Olds In NHL Scoring
Rk
Player
Age
Tm
Season
GP
G
A
PTS ▾
+/-
PIM
PP
SH
GW
S
S%
1
19
1980-81
80
55
109
164
41
28
15
4
3
261
21.1
1
19
2006-07
79
36
84
120
10
60
13
0
4
250
14.4
5
19
1975-76
76
53
58
111
4
33
18
0
3
319
16.6
3
20
2005-06
81
52
54
106
2
52
21
3
5
425
12.2
8
19
1987-88
80
55
52
107
-19
45
22
0
7
264
20.8
13
19
1984-85
73
43
57
100
-35
54
11
0
2
209
20.6
5
19
2009-10
82
51
44
95
-2
38
24
1
5
297
17.2
12
19
1975-76
80
32
63
95
28
21
11
1
5
178
18.0
6
20
1977-78
73
53
38
91
31
6
25
0
5
235
22.6
16
19
1982-83
79
40
51
91
-17
31
13
1
3
297
13.5
18
19
1982-83
79
31
59
90
-25
60
4
2
4
212
14.6
24
19
1984-85
80
30
59
89
-17
58
9
0
3
231
13.0
20
19
1988-89
80
34
54
88
-2
26
16
0
5
182
18.7
33
19
1999-00
80
25
42
67
-25
43
6
0
3
166
16.1
85
19
2007-08
64
24
30
54
11
44
7
0
4
144
16.7
* Member of Hockey Hall of Fame

The numbers speak for themselves.  Steven Stamkos has the fifth best scoring record for 19 year olds in NHL history.  Sidney Crosby is second best to Wayne Gretzky.  Clearly, Steven Stamkos is only in the same class as Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin.  Any comparison to Jonathon Toews is simply an attempt to skew Steven Stamkos' value downwards.

To gain a better appreciation for Steven Stamkos' market value, compare his present season (2010-2011) to the seasons of other players when they signed their big contracts.  Contract extensions signed by Sidney Crosby July 2007; Alex Ovechkin January 2008; Vincent Lecavalier July 2008; and Jonathon Toews December 2009.

Scoring Record when Negotiating a Big Contract
Rk
Player
Age
Tm
Season
GP
G
A
PTS ▾
+/-
PIM
PP
SH
GW
S
S%
1
22
2007-08
82
65
47
112
28
40
22
0
11
446
14.6
1
19
2006-07
79
36
84
120
10
60
13
0
4
250
14.4
2
20
2010-11
24
21
18
39
6
20
10
0
4
91
23.1
7
27
2007-08
81
40
52
92
-17
89
10
1
7
318
12.6
35
21
2009-10
76
25
43
68
22
47
9
1
3
202
12.4

Again, Steven Stamkos only compares with the elite (Ovechkin and Crosby).  He will take his performance above Crosby and Ovechkin if he continues his scoring pace.  Any comparison to Jonathon Toews appears to be simply gratuitous.

Perhaps Steve Yzerman truly believes Steven Stamkos is comparable to Jonathon Toews.  After all, much to the disbelief of many hockey experts, Steve Yzerman passed on Steven Stamkos when he was Executive Director of 2010 Team Canada Olympic Hockey Team.

To gain an even better appreciation for Steven Stamkos, you have to compare his scoring to the best 20 year olds in NHL history.  We whittled the list down to just the elite performers plus Jonathon Toews and Vincent Lecavalier.

Top 20-Year-Olds In NHL Scoring
Rk
Player
Age
Tm
Season
GP
G
A
PTS ▾
+/-
PIM
PP
SH
GW
S
S%
1
20
1981-82
80
92
120
212
81
26
18
6
12
369
24.9
2
20
2010-11
24
21
18
39
6
20
10
0
4
91
23.1
2
20
1985-86
79
48
93
141
-6
43
17
0
4
276
17.4
6
20
1981-82
80
32
87
119
0
82
8
0
4
231
13.9
3
20
2005-06
81
52
54
106
2
52
21
0
11
425
12.2
29
20
2007-08
53
24
48
72
18
39
6
0
4
173
13.9
41
20
2008-09
82
34
35
69
12
51
12
0
7
195
17.4
100
20
2000-01
68
23
28
51
-26
66
7
0
3
165
13.9
* Member of Hockey Hall of Fame

Given his present pace, you can only compare Steven Stamkos to the likes of Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux.  Please notice two items.  First, the scoring percentage of Wayne Gretzky and Steven Stamkos compared to others.  Second, game winning goals scored by Gretzky, Stamkos, and Ovechkin.  Each indicating dominant goal scoring.

It appears Steve Yzerman and Tampa Bay Lightning has blundered by not negotiating a contract renewal  last summer with Steven Stamkos.  This blunder is compounded by low balling Steven Stamkos; slotting him in between Jonathon Toews and Sidney Crosby, and using a salary based on a lower cap from 2006-2007 to set an upper threshold.  It will take some deft handling on someone's part to ensure Steven Stamkos does not view these manoeuvres as personal snubs.  

Don Meehan can either vehemently disagree with the framework set by Steve Yzerman and Tampa Bay Lightning or tactfully wait for the end of the season when Steven Stamkos can leverage the market as a RFA (Restricted Free Agent) to receive his true worth.

Going this route will most certainly invite offer sheets for at least $10.5 mil a year.  Perhaps, even a max cap offer (20% of cap) of $11.8 mil  is possible.  This can be $12.4 mil if the cap increases to $62.4 mil.  It will also cost the team four first-round draft picks if Tampa does not match the offer.

An NHL manager rarely gets an opportunity to acquire a player comparable to Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux.  It is almost unthinkable.  Someone is bound to be willing to pay the hefty price to acquire Steven Stamkos.  Below, is a list of teams with the cap space and financial means to do it.

Cap Space for 2011-12 Season Assuming $59.4 mil NHL Cap
Team
Cap Space
Roster
Notes
Montreal Canadiens
$25,313,691
9
Kostitsyn RFA Markov & Hamrlik UFA
Washington Capitals
$22,240,428
14
Semin & Laich UFA
Toronto Maple Leafs
$20,613,334
13
Kaberle & Giguerre UFA Schenn RFA
Edmonton Oilers
$19,400,000
14
Souray $5.4 mil in AHL
Los Angeles Kings
$18,806,667
16
Doughty & Johnson RFA Handzus UFA
New York Rangers
$17,550,000
13
Callahan, Dubinsky, & Boyle RFA
Chicago Black Hawks
$17,014,497
10
Seabrook RFA
Ottawa Senators
$16,512,500
15
Kovalev, Phillips, & Leclaire UFA
Detroit Red Wings
$14,841,289
14
Lidstrom UFA

Of course, this is all fruitless speculation if the media is correct about Don Meehan being a reasonable man who is able to convince Steven Stamkos into accepting a "discount" offer from Tampa for the good of the team.  Who knows, if Stamkos is lucky, Don Meehan might convince Tampa to throw in a team jacket for "free".


Post Script 23-Jan-2011


How Brian Burke Gets Steven Stamkos





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